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\nUnless you have been hiding under rock for the past year, everybody knows that Biden (and the Democrats in general) want to change the auto industry from being dependent on gasoline powered cars to battery operated cars.\u00a0 People have their views on if their will be better for society, worse for society, or neutral (trading one set of problems for a different set of problems).\u00a0 Trying to weed through the propaganda to find honest information will make your head spin, so if you need to take break before continuing to read this article, I would recommend\u00a0 de-stressing by visiting the\u00a0FairGo casino login<\/a>.<\/p>\n

All joking aside, let’s get to the point.<\/p>\n

Before the country (or the world) can transition from gasoline powered cars to battery powered cars, two main things need to happen.\u00a0 Workers need to be trained in the new auto mechanics (physical cars) and workers need to be trained in setting up and maintaining the info structure (“electric pumps”).<\/p>\n

What is the Biden Administration pushing and\/or supporting?<\/b><\/p>\n

Inside the Build Back Better bill in\u00a0 the House of Representatives, is language that would force (“strongly encourage”) private developers of solar, wind, hydrogen, carbon sequestration, electric vehicle charging stations and other clean energy projects to either hire union-signatory contractors and unionized construction workers or lose critical tax incentives that help grow America\u2019s clean energy marketplace.<\/p>\n

While it is not a requirement to hire union labor, it is an attempt to leverage federal tax policy to boost union membership.\u00a0 But 87.3% of the construction industry work for nonunion contractors and they have no desire to work for a union.<\/p>\n

But what does this mean in terms of real dollars and cents?\u00a0 The current clean energy tax credit is slashed from 30% to 6%.\u00a0 But businesses receive a 500% higher than the baseline credit if they use government registered apprentices and pay workers union-scale, government determined hourly benefits and wages that are determined by the\u00a0Davis Bacon Act of 1931<\/a>.<\/p>\n

For decades, construction trade unions have lobbied lawmakers for a host of anti-competitive and costly union-favoring policies, like government-registered apprenticeship requirements and Davis-Bacon prevailing wage mandates on government construction projects, to steer contracts to unionized firms and labor.\u00a0 But some view the current tax code as specifically rewarding union contractors over non-union contractors.<\/p>\n

Right now the construction industry has a shortage of 430,000 workers.\u00a0 Also, Biden wants the number of EV charging stations to increase from the current count of 48,000 to 500,000 by 2030, 8 years in the future.\u00a0 But only 13% of the construction industry are official union workers.<\/p>\n

Is this a problem?\u00a0 Is this not a problem?\u00a0 I do not know.\u00a0 But what I do know that in order to create EV charging stations, the country electricians and electric technicians, and electrical engineers.<\/p>\n

Training to be an Electrical Engineer<\/b><\/p>\n

When talking about post high school education, there are three main categories of education.\u00a0 The first is a theory based education taught at a traditional theory based school.\u00a0 An example of this would be MIT’s program in electrical engineering.<\/p>\n

When a person graduates from MIT with a BS in Electrical Engineering, they know the theory of electrical engineering.\u00a0 When talking about the automotive industry, these would be the future people who are going to design to next class of auto electric car motors and batteries.\u00a0 In order to become an electrical engineer, a person studies in University for 4 years to obtain a BS in Engineering.<\/p>\n

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  1. Passed the NCEES Fundamentals of Engineering Exam or in the process of taking the exam.<\/li>\n
  2. BS Degree<\/li>\n
  3. Experience (class 1, accredited degree in engineering) – 4 years of engineering experience following the degree.<\/li>\n
  4. Experience (class 2, accredited degree in engineering technology) – 7 years of engineering experience following the degree.<\/li>\n
  5. Five endorsers must sign off on your application, which must be licensed US engineers, including 1 from your work experience<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    The cons is that obtaining an engineering degree is hard.\u00a0 The second disadvantage is that it is theory based.\u00a0 I have personally met electrical engineers who cannot change an electrical outlet in their own\u00a0 house.\u00a0 In other words, no hands on training.<\/p>\n

    The advantage is that once you get your BS degree, it is a degree that is valid anywhere in the United States.\u00a0 Nobody can take that away.\u00a0 The engineering certificate in a specific state is a different story, but that is also true with certified doctors, therapists, and lawyers.<\/p>\n

    Training to become an electrician, apprenticeship<\/b><\/p>\n

    At the opposite end of the spectrum are the trade school electricians.\u00a0 To become an E-2 unlimited journeyperson, you must show 8,000 hours (four years) of hands-on work experience, as well as 144 hours per year of classroom instruction. These requirements can be met by attending a technical college and completing an apprenticeship under the supervision of a licensed contracting company, or by joining a union or non-union apprenticeship program.<\/p>\n

    Then next step is to take the Journeyperson exam.<\/p>\n

    After 2 more years of experience, you can become a licensed independent contractor after also passing the Electrical Contractor exam.<\/p>\n

    The advantage is around a year of education.<\/p>\n

    Note: If things have changed in what I am about is wrong, please correct me in the comments.\u00a0 This is my friend’s experience from 15 years ago in Connecticut.<\/p>\n

    Disadvantage:<\/p>\n

    I had a friend who went to a trade school to learn to become an electrical engineer.\u00a0 The guy was very smart, and graduated the top student in his class.\u00a0 When it came time to get an official “apprenticeship job”, there were 30 students who graduated from the program and only two jobs available in Connecticut that year.\u00a0 Since work is a requirement to officially graduate from the program, 28 people could not continue on their professional journey.\u00a0 Of the two there were left, at least one of those jobs was given a worker relative who did not graduate from any official training program.<\/p>\n

    On top of that, apprentices have no salary requirements or benefits.\u00a0 They are basically entry level hourly wage employees with no benefits and you are required by CT law to remain at that level for 4 years.\u00a0 Once this work part is finished, you become an official Journeyperson and the pay is much better along with the benefits.<\/p>\n

    But if there is only 1 job for at least 30 people, 29 people just took out a student loan for a career path that they cannot continue.<\/p>\n

    I asked my friend, why couldn’t he just apply for a job in another state.\u00a0 He said that the work and the school are connected with each other, and both have to be done in the same state.\u00a0 If he took a job in another state, he would have to redo the educational part in that state.<\/p>\n

    I am not sure if my friend misunderstood the requirements or if that is truly the way things are.\u00a0 But if my friend’s experience is really the way trade schools work, I personally would recommend the technology school route.<\/p>\n

    Training with Co-op to become an electrical technician or an electrical engineer<\/b><\/p>\n

    Some colleges take a more hands on approach to educating their students.\u00a0 These schools fall into the category called Co-Op schools.\u00a0 Some examples of Co-op schools are Rochester Institute of Technology (RIT), Drexel University, and University of Illinois in Chicago.<\/p>\n

    These programs are 5 year programs instead of 4 year programs where a person at the end gets a BS in Engineering or BS Tech in Engineering Technology.\u00a0 The schools may have slight variations, but generally, the first two years the student studies full time.\u00a0 During the last 3 years, the student changes between working and going to school.\u00a0 By the time the student graduates, they have not only the 4 year degree, but 1 to 1 1\/2 years of work experience.<\/p>\n

    The students learn the theory, but they also learn the hands on stuff.<\/p>\n

    A person still have to work under a professional in order to obtain an official license as an Electrical Engineer.<\/p>\n

    If you want to become an electrician after obtaining an electrical engineering degree, this is what is required in NYC:<\/p>\n

    Having a BSEE does gain you credit towards being an electrician. If you got a BS and are interested in becoming an electrician, most certifications will accept your degree in lieu of a portion of field experience. For example, in New York City you can become a master electrician with 7.5 years of experience as a journeyman. If you have a BS, it only requires 3.5 years of the same experience.\u00a0 But in order to become an Journeyperson, you still need 4 years of being an apprentice under Journeyperson electrician.<\/p>\n

    Which is better?<\/b><\/p>\n

    It depends on what you want to do.\u00a0 If you just want to sit in an office and be the person to design the engineering blue prints, then the engineering degree if the way to go.\u00a0 If you just want to physically work with the wires, so to speak, and you do not care about the hows and whys, then the trade school route might be the right choice.\u00a0 But if you are a hands on person, but you still want to understand the theory of the whys, I would recommend the Technical school route with a good co-op program.<\/p>\n

    The Co-op work is not bound to the physical state that the school is located in.\u00a0 The trade school requires that you can only to your apprenticeship in the state where you got your education, and there are no apprenticeship jobs available, you not only have the job, you don’t have the certificate that you finished the education either.<\/p>\n

    Does this apply to people who want to become an auto mechanic?<\/b><\/p>\n

    Minnesota State University Mankato has a BS in Automotive Engineering Technology.\u00a0 MNSU does\u00a0 have co-op programs where the student can altercate between academic studies and work.\u00a0 The students also have year long projects in their final year that involves working on racing cars that compete against other teams.<\/p>\n

    Teams build their cars over a period of about one year and then take them to the event in Brooklyn, MI to compete with 120 other vehicles from colleges and universities throughout the world. The end result is a meaningful engineering project experience for young engineers as well as the opportunity to work in a dedicated team effort.<\/p>\n

    Some other schools that have a BS in Automotive Technology are Rio Hondo College in CA, Pennsylvania College of Technology, and BYU Idaho.<\/p>\n

    If you want to obtain an associate degree, it is a 2 year program and there are a lot more educational options available.<\/p>\n

    What is my personal recommendation?<\/b><\/p>\n

    I am biased.\u00a0 I obtained a BS degree from a technical school.\u00a0 When I did my co-op program, I was able to apply to a job from any company anywhere in the world.\u00a0 There were no restrictions on what job I could get, except that I had to be doing work related to my field of study.\u00a0 I could have gotten a job in another country, if I had wanted to.\u00a0 So getting a job in another state was not a problem.<\/p>\n

    Compare that to my friend who went to the local trade school to study to become an electrician.\u00a0 After taking out a loan, studying hard, earning the top grades in his class, obtaining letters of recommendations from his teachers, he was stuck with an entry level job (low pay, no benefits) — worse pay and benefits than the current part-time retail job he had — so he had nothing.<\/p>\n

    No educational certificate, no job, and no career future.\u00a0 I asked him why he didn’t just apply for a job in another state, and he said that with apprenticeship programs from trade schools, fulfilling the work part of the school requirements in another state was not allowed.\u00a0 I do not know if my friend just misunderstood things, but if his experience is reality, I could not recommend to anyone to go the trade school route.<\/p>\n

    At least with a BS technology or technician degree (or even the Associate Degree) you will still have the degree.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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